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No. 1 / COLOR - Making a discovery with Carrie Hoge & Ashley Yousling

No. 1 / COLOR - Making a discovery with Carrie Hoge & Ashley Yousling


For the past few months we’ve been busy getting the new Making podcast off the ground. As many of you know, Carrie and I joined forces last October and the Woolful podcast is now known as the Making podcast. Same format and approach to each maker’s creative journey, but now expanded to all types of makers. This first episode of Season No. 1 / COLOR is extra special being that Carrie Hoge and I are the guests. Neither of us have ever been interviewed for a podcast so we thought it would be fun to kick off this new adventure together, sharing our own maker journey’s. We hope you enjoy getting a glimpse into our lives, craft and love of color. 

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Woolful / Ashley's site 
Madder / Carrie's site

Quince and Co / Mentioned by Carrie
Fibershed / Mentioned by Ashley

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This episode's giveaway is sponsored by Vogue Knitting and Purl Soho and they’re giving away a copy of the new landmark edition of Vogue Knitting: The Ultimate Knitting Book and two skeins of Purl Soho’s Linen Quill in Tumeric, enough to make one of the exciting projects in our upcoming issue No. 5 / COLOR. To enter this giveaway, leave a comment on this blog post. 

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No. 1 / COLOR - Making a discovery with Carrie Hoge & Ashley Yousling

Ashley: [00:00:03] Welcome to Making, a podcast for makers. I'm excited to share with you some incredible people I've had the opportunity to talk to in this community we love so much. From knitters and quilters, to builders and painter, here's where you get to listen to a little part of their making journey.

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Ashley: [00:01:32] For the past few months we've been busy getting the new Making Podcast off the ground. As many of you know Carrie and I joined forces last October and the Woolful Podcast is now known as the Making Podcast. Same format and approach to each maker's creative journey, but now expanded to all types of makers. This first episode of season number one Color is extra special being that Carrie Hoge and I are the guests. Neither of us have ever been interviewed for a podcast so we thought it would be fun to kick off this new adventure together sharing our own maker journeys. We hope you enjoy getting a glimpse into our lives, craft, and love of color.

Ashley: [00:02:07] You can find myself at, Carrie at and us together at and on Instagram @woolful, @maddermade, and @makingzine. And with that here we are.

Carrie : [00:02:23] My making journey started really slowly and it was just like hints of having handmade things around. Not in a major way, but just you know mittens that my grandmother would give me for Christmas or an Easter dress that my mom had sewn. So it wasn't a huge part of growing up but it was always there as sort of this practical skill that was just alluring to me in sort of that tactile way. I remember a knitting bag actually that my mom had it had this really cool print on the outside and inside there were all kinds of different acrylic yarns and maybe two or three different projects that she had started. Probably a scarf and a sweater and she would take out her needles and we would start learning how to knit and purl. And it took me a few tries to really figure it out and probably this was over the course of several years that I would try and then get frustrated and then try again. In high school I started thinking about making clothes my dad found this sewing machine on the side of the road and he brought it home and my mom and I would hit all these thrift stores, these church stores, Salvation Army, and I would spend probably 30 to 40 dollars and all of these, I would probably go to like two or three places on a Saturday. And I would come home with like five bags of clothes. And I just, my closet was full. It was crazy. But so somehow that merged like my interest in clothing and wanting to make them.

Carrie : [00:03:50] And one of my favorite classes was art class and I didn't really think of it as something I would do all the time but it just it was becoming more and more clear that that was what drove me that was where my interest was and I ended up taking a photography class at Mass Art my second semester of my senior year. So that was exciting, I'd go into Boston every Saturday and take this class. And in the middle of that my brother passed away and it completely threw me off. Obviously it just was such a huge blow and unexpected and really really tragic. So I really grasped onto photography and it's just sort of became like my comfort zone and it became a place where I could express myself not using words I didn't have to talk about anything but I could see the world and I could see the beauty still. Which was hard but I could capture it in a piece of time and have it and hold onto it. And so I would go out and work with my friends or just walk take long walks out in nature. And that's where I realized that I just wanted to find beauty and I wanted to capture that. So I ended up going to school for photography and really exploring where I could take photography. But I felt really confused about it too because I could tell I didn't want to be a commercial photographer. I didn't want to be a wedding photographer which I tried. You know I didn't really I didn't want to be a fine art photographer.

Carrie : [00:05:33] What I really really enjoyed was just taking pictures of my family and taking pictures of nature which is something I still am exploring. But I remember my last job in New York was working for a photographer. I'd worked for some publishing companies too, I worked for Vanity Fair and I worked for Martha Stewart Living. But then I ended up working as a studio manager for a photographer who was doing these really high-end weddings. And his wife actually was a knitwear designer at J.Crew and this is where I think I was sort of introduced, reintroduced to my desire for making things. I remember sitting in the back seat of their car and my boss was driving us into work and his wife was in the front seat and she was knitting something with these beautiful wooden needles and this like really chunky single ply raw wool. And I just, I knew I wanted that tactile like beauty in my life too. I wanted to be able to knit as well. So I remember going to a yarn store in Brooklyn and I picked out this orange wool and I picked out a pair of wooden needles which I had never had. I'd always used these metal needles, and I was just so taken with that. So I started this orange scarf and I did finally finish it with the help of my mom.

Carrie : [00:06:57] And then from there I ended up leaving New York with this idea that I was going to start making all my own clothes, that drive to start making really started coming alive and me and I moved to Providence and took two classes I took a sewing class and a knitting class at this adults learning center and I continued to struggle with the sewing, probably because it's so precise but with the knitting I just sort of really spoke to me and I ended up making about three pairs of slippers. And people were getting those for gifts for a little while. After living in Providence that was maybe close to a year I ended up moving out to Seattle and I visited quite a few yarn shops there that was like my thing I just wanted to scout out all the yarn shops there and I think that's where I found Rowan Books and I've never seen anything like that. It just sort of opened my mind to other possibilities of what knitting could be. So in Seattle I actually bought some raw wool and I ended up making my first design without really knowing I was doing it but I pulled this feather and fan stitch pattern from a little vintage book and I just cast on however many stitches and I ended up making a sort of stole wrap for my friend. And it wasn't amazing but it was like oh I want to use this stitch pattern and I want to make this thing and so that's sort of where I started tinkering with design. But so in my 20s I would just remember being super confused about all my interests. I was learning bookbinding I was studying horticulture at the community college. I was knitting. I was trying to learn how to sew. You know I had all these different interests and it was like How are these things going to make sense. I want to do them all. And I think they all fit together.

Carrie : [00:08:53] But if I could just tell myself back in my 20s that it's all going to work out it's all going to be fine because they do all fit together your interests have a place in this world. Then I think I could have comforted myself but... I ended up living in Seattle for about a year and then I moved to Maine where things really started to explode with textiles and making things. Was just like such a thriving community of creative people here and people who are doing things people who are like just really motivated and supportive of one another. I think moving to Portland, Maine was probably the biggest catalyst to helping me get to where I am today. I worked at Angela Adams for several years and I was just in the retail store, but I met so many just incredible friends there who were just inspiring and they were inspired by living in Maine and by what they were doing. I also had my first job in the knitting industry here in Portland. I worked for the fiber company I was working in their fiber mill. I helped on the carding machine and skeined yarn and so I really got to see that end of things of actually making the yarn and how much labor goes into that and how much work that is, it's it's incredible it's a lot. They ran a little mini mill over the edge of Munjoy Hill which is no longer there but that was sort of my first introduction to the knitting industry.

Carrie : [00:10:25] My husband and I ended up getting a house outside of Portland and it had this tiny little barn that was made for horses and he helped me that was the first thing we had no insulation in the house, but the first thing we worked on when we got to that property was renovating the studio so that I could have a space to be in. And we gutted it and we insulated it and put shingles on the roof and put in these beautiful windows. And I started my blog there Swatch Diaries and it was just a really simple blog of yarns and colors and fabrics and just textiles that I had around. And this was a really magical place for me and I think that's where a lot of where I am now with with my making being in that space sort of just it was just an incredibly inspiring place. I would sit and look out the window and I would just be so thankful to see the trees and to see I'd see foxes run by. I saw a moose baby moose run by one time. So being that close to nature and being that close to all of my yarn it just was just like little magical world in my backyard, and I loved being there. And I would spend hours making just tiny little swatches and exploring little stitches and playing with color. But it wasn't just the swatch it was also the photograph of this watch that just created this intimate tactile feeling. And for me a lot of textiles are about a feeling this feeling of comfort this feeling of safety and beauty. And that's probably something I seek throughout my making journey is just this feeling of coziness and I think I'm always sort of working towards that.

Carrie : [00:12:19] So from there I ended up somehow meeting Pam Allen and that's when I was introduced into the publishing side of knitting. I worked with her on a few shoots as a stylist for Interweave. And we just hit it off. She knew so much about knitting and we just loved to talk about design and color and inspiration and so she ended up leaving Interweave and going to Classic Elite Yarns and I ended up following her. I left my job at Angela Adams and I started working with her as her assistant at Classic Elite and we worked there for about a year before Pam decided to start her own young company which is now Quince & Co. And I helped her get that started. In January of 2013 I started Madder and working on it. I had left Quince because I just felt like I knew I wanted to have another child and I wanted to you know have the freedom to freelance and to work on my own. That first year I did Madder, I published Anthology I and then the following year I published Anthology II and then later in that same year I published Swoon Maine. And that's where I am today.

Ashley: [00:13:35] I really resonate with all that. I feel like you just talking about making is a healing thing when you were going through the heartache with your brother and I feel the same way.

Ashley: [00:13:50] Making has just woven itself into my life. And so I don't, it's hard to know exactly when it when it started or when it stopped. And there are definite lulls when I was younger, but, you know my creative journey really didn't start in knitting it started in sewing, my grandmother she's quilted for as long as I can remember and my great grandmother was always quilting and my other grandmother was an amazing embroidery and sewer and so growing up I always had these kind of legacies in my life that I would hear about and we didn't live close to my grandparents so I didn't really get that one on one time with them. But I remember seeing boxes and things hanging on the walls and hearing the stories of where those came from. And you know I think from a really young age I always had an affinity for crafting or coloring or drawing. I often would be the kid that would want to stay inside even on like the sunniest days. Growing up in California and all the other kids playing outside. And so when I was about 6 my mom I think we went to like a JoAnn Fabrics or something like that and they were having this like summer sew camp. And so she signed me up for it and I think we made like three things like you know a pair of shorts and you know like a skirt or something like that.

Ashley: [00:15:20] And at the end of the camp we did a fashion show and you know sewing has always been something that I've been interested in and I don't remember the exact moment where knitting kind of took over. Except that definitely in my adulthood when I was a little bit older I remember crocheting and making granny square after granny square after granny square and of course with acrylic yarn and I don't even think I knew anything about wool other than it was scratchy and I remember this one time I was probably about 13, a great aunt came to visit and she was knitting these like potholders and I remember her teaching me how to knit and it was with you know this really stiff cotton yarn and metal needles. And I was really into it for about like a day and then I put it aside and never touched it again. You know all through high school and college I was really creative. I spent a lot of time in music and that's actually where I had planned for my life to go. But there was a lot of other ventures that I went down but I remember sometime in college I was working with a lady who had gotten Joelle Hoverson's Last Minute Gifts and she lent it to me one day and was showing me this like these booties or something in it, and she really encouraged me to knit. And so at the time I lived in Port Townsend Washington which is this cute little seaport town and there was this knitting shop, and, looking back now I remember at that age thinking man like wow this is like kind of some hippie joint and there's all this wool and like... So I remember getting some wood needles and I think like some novelty yarn of some sort. With like little puffs and stuff because that was kind of the time then,

[00:17:20] were these fun fur and and label bauble-type yarns. And I knit these booties and after those were done I put it down again and I didn't touch knitting for years. You know my life after college really shifted directions in terms of where I was taking it. I went to college for neurobiology and had this idea that I needed to go into some sort of medicine. And before that I had planned to go into music and felt like that wasn't really an option because I felt like there was these expectations that I needed to do something big and professional and that made good money and was respectable and music at the time was not. And so here I was at college, my last quarter, and I sorta just had this like major breakdown. I was about to get married that summer and here I was in a degree that I cared nothing about. And I had not been fulfilling my creative passions for a long time for that next year I really flounder trying to find it like oh you know I'm really passionate about cooking. Like maybe I will go do that or you know some kind of creative thing that I can get into and knitting at the time never really popped into my head, and, what did though was design. So I begin this pretty intensive couple of years of teaching myself design theory and typography and really just taking any job I could get to hone in on what my style was and my skills. And that was the start of my design career.

Ashley: [00:19:13] I ended up a couple of years later starting a design firm in Seattle and I did branding and whatnot for small businesses mainly women-run businesses, this was like right before and right after the 2008 crash, so there was a huge influx of women-driven businesses and entrepreneurial adventures. And this was kind of the time of Etsy and I worked in that for a while. And then I ended up taking a job at a big corporate company and we made phones. So I started doing a lot of interface design and that ended up leading to us moving to San Francisco soon after my first son was born. And we lived down there for a couple of years and I worked for some more corporate companies and I remember getting into this very kind of this like headspace that what mattered most was that I was a strong force of a woman who could do anything any of the men that I worked with could do. And, I oftentimes was the only woman on these teams and in these parts of the companies that I worked in and I ended up working my way up a lot and traveling a lot. And I remember thinking "this is it." But there was always just this massive void. And after I had my son I still continued down that path but it became very clear to me over that first year of his life that life had drastically changed and very much for the better.

Ashley: [00:20:54] But having a child really opened my eyes to what truly at my core mattered to me and that was not climbing the ladder and having any sort of fame or fortune but rather having time with my kids and those two years those first two years of my son Coltrane's life. I worked full time and my husband stayed home with him and they would go on these epic adventures in San Francisco and I remember thinking like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing and I'm just going to keep on doing this. And no one was forcing me except for myself and about a year after we lived there I was on the bus to work. I worked down in Cupertino and we lived in San Francisco so I would ride a bus about an hour and 15 minutes back and forth each day and they always encourage you not to work on the bus so that people wouldn't see what you're working on. And so I was like OK I am going to start knitting and knitting had already kind of crept back into my life when I became pregnant with Coltrane because having him was like I just had this urge to nest and I wanted to clothe him and everything and so I just dove headfirst into knitting. So I'm on this bus and I'm sitting there and I'm knitting and I'm just Knitting Knitting Knitting. And I would listen to podcasts and I would often just listen to business podcasts or entrepreneurial podcasts and I remember thinking wow, like I really want to know more about this industry. And like I had slowly become more aware of the materials I was using and having a very specific taste for wool and natural fibers and natural Dyeing and whatnot.

Ashley: [00:22:48] And so I thought if there's any podcasts like really talk about all the different facets of this industry and so I search and I search and I listen to a lot of different knitting podcasts. And to be honest like I think they all have their place but for me I just, I wasn't super interested in learning about projects that people were working on or necessarily even different skills. I really wanted to hear the stories. I've always been drawn to people telling their stories. And so that day I was like I think I should start a podcast and I didn't even know anything about it. But all of a sudden I kind of just made this massive list of all these people that I want to talk to and I want to hear their story and so I came home that night and I showed David and he's like yeah you should do this. So for a good year, I would spend a lot of time sitting in our laundry closet. So there was a stacked washer and dryer and like a cloth diaper wet bag behind me and I'm like in this cramped little spot talking to these people both really well-known names and really like obscure, no one's ever heard of them people and it was amazing the stories I was hearing and the things I was learning and simultaneously we had been spending more and more time up in Marin and Mendocino and meeting different farmers and going on farm tours and and through fiber shed I met some of my closest friends now and David told me when we first got married that someday we would have a farm. And I laughed at him and told him that would never happen. But I found myself slowly being like, yeah this,

Ashley: [00:24:36] I think this is the life that I want actually and so that seed was planted for eventually what would be us buying our farm here in Idaho. And so as the podcast began and talking to these people and spending a lot of time with some really close friends that dream of having a farm for David and I really was cemented. So we put a offer in and you know we didn't know when we were going to move here. We thought oh well maybe like you know five years or something like that. And, once you own a piece of property like this and you visit quite often and you're living in a place like that you really don't want to live at or working in a job that you don't want to work in... It's really hard to keep yourself grounded there. So we about exactly a year after we bought the property we were like okay we're ready to get out and there was a lot of life things at the time that kind of brought us to that decision. I have shared very little over the last few years of the Woolful Podcast but I had a series of miscarriages that really defined even further what my values were and what I wanted to invest my time in and that was my family and my health. And so it was Fourth of July weekend and you know we just kind of had another heartbreak and we were like okay we're doing this. So I went into my boss that next like two days later and said so we're moving to Idaho and he's like well can you stay through the end of the year and I was like No. And he's like can you stay through September and I was like Nope.

Ashley: [00:26:25] He's like well when are you moving I'm like well actually we already packed our apartment and so we moved up here like three weeks later. And you know the farming journey of our lives it's been so short it's been two years but you know we didn't waste any time getting the animals. We have cows and sheep and alpaca and hogs and dogs and chickens and ducks and it feels like this is where we were meant to be and I look back on my 33 years and I can see where this all led to here. This past November was my little baby Jude's birthday first birthday. He was born and life changed again and I realized you know I really can't do this by myself anymore and I was, had such a passion for the Woolful Podcast and community and all the relationships and wanting to continue it but feeling like it needs to take its next step forward and, you know since starting it in 2014 there's a lot of other podcasts that have popped up and I felt both this desire to progress in its nature and whatnot but also for it to evolve and see where it goes. And so I didn't know what that looked like. And yeah about a couple of years ago now Carrie and I met and spent some time together. And you know that was really the start of Woolful changing, and you know my creative journey now becoming part of Making.

Carrie : [00:28:10 ] I remember actually meeting Ashley at Stitches West and I was kind of like I am starting this this magazine a zine thing I'm not really sure what the name is and at the beginning it really looked like it was more of a journal of my own work. Actually it was going to be a zine. And then it sort of evolved into a magazine. But I realized that there are so many other talented amazing people out there who are doing these things so let's have it be a collaborative thing. So I started in December of 2015. I just sent a couple of e-mails just to feel people out. I didn't really know I had nothing to show anybody. I just had an email with words saying I'm starting a zine, I'm starting a magazine. Would you be interested in submitting something I've no money to offer you but I'll photograph it and hopefully it'll be really beautiful and something we can be proud of. And I started getting a lot of yeses and that just sort of evolved into a really strong collection. So it happened the first issue happened really fast. The first issue was called Flora and I hadn't even thought about like would anyone even buy this until I was I think sending it to the printer and be like I hope people like this idea of merging all these different mediums together.

Carrie: [00:29:29] And after it released and there was this huge amazing response to the preorders I couldn't even believe it like blew my mind How many people subscribed. I just felt so touched and astonished and excited but it became really clear right away pretty much that it was, I was doing all of the photography, all of the layouts, I photographed the ads, I was the project manager, I got in touch with everybody and it pretty much took over my life. You know I put my heart into it I put everything into each issue and I just got to this place where I could see this year's issues coming together Color and Black & White. My heart was in that. But after that I just I had no idea if I could sustain that on my own. And actually I kind of knew that I couldn't. So I started thinking about options do I end the magazine do I like what do I do? I don't know. So I just started exploring different ideas. And then Ashley started working with Making in March of 2017 and we just worked so well together we have these similar visions and similar ways of approaching challenges and ideas and dreams. So it finally sort of in June we started throwing the idea back and forth and by October it was official and I have never been so relieved to have someone by my side to help me make some of these huge decisions and to just have a voice.

Carrie: [00:31:08] She has this beautiful, warm, intelligent voice that I feel is so right for Making and to bring us into this new place and to continue the work with the magazine and to bring her work on the podcast into Making is just such a gift. I feel so lucky that we are able to come together and keep dreaming to have other ideas for other possibilities for what we'll do together, so

Ashley: [00:31:36] Yeah it's exciting I think that that's the biggest thing is the sense of relief because I know separately we both poured so much into Woolful and then you Making and getting it to this point where there's just so many people that are supporting and encouraging and cheerleading us and paying attention to you know the next episode or the next issue and to get to that point in either of our businesses and feel like I value this community so much. Woolful wouldn't exist Making wouldn't exist. None of this would exist without all of these people that encourage and support what we do. And I get such a value from hearing these stories and hearing how it's touch people's lives. I mean that is the biggest thing that I took away from Woolful was just how deep these making journeys go in people's life and what it does for each person and the healing aspects of it but also encouraging inspiring aspects of it and all the stories of what people have done and I think to come to these places in our businesses where we're like I want to keep going but I don't know if I can. The relief that comes from joining together and seeing the future for our business now together is like just one of the most amazing things. And I feel so blessed for Carrie's friendship and being a business partner with her because it's fulfilling all of these different aspects. A future for my creative journey. And then also just a beautiful beautiful friendship.

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Ash: [00:35:08] So kind of switching gears a little bit here. Our first upcoming issue is Color and color has such a place in a maker's world. Can you share a little bit about color and the place that it has in your life and the influences around you whether it's landscape or even emotional things that color has somehow inspired.

Carrie: [00:35:36] I have loved colors since I was a little girl and I would use color in sort of flashy ways when I was dressing especially in sixth grade year I wore these crazy Sixties outfits with these huge bauble earrings and I would like coordinate my socks with my shirt and my pants with my shoes. I don't know. I had these very coordinating color outfits and one of my favorite outfits when I was really little was this rainbow shirt. And I had the matching rainbow necklace. So color has just always been a huge part of my childhood and my adulthood as well. I remember actually my college essay was about color and my love of color. So for me now, living in Maine that definitely has a huge influence and I'm always drawn to blues and grays so working on the color issue was really fun because it allowed me to enjoy the other part of Maine which is the summertime in the gardens and really thinking about flowers and colorful houses and just you know finding color in the sun and in light and the issue has a lot of yellow there's lots of goldens I'm really drawn to that color.

Carrie: [00:36:53] And actually I think it's funny because the knit story my intention was for it to be very bright and vibrant and I don't know it must have been the Maine winter that all the colors ended up being a little bit more muted and dusty but that's generally how I like my colors a little bit more antiqued pink and greens that are more of a blue green with a little bit of gray every color could have like a little bit of gray and I'd be very happy. And match it with gray and that would be really awesome. So anyway so Color Issue is probably one of my favorites. And then we're going to counterbalance it with Black & White for the fall which is also really fun. It's really fun to think about the opposite of color and taking that away and just thinking about pattern. And so really exciting year for Making with Color and Black & White.

Ashley: [00:37:52] I think color for me, I always saw through this kind of designer lens. And I think about this phase of my life where really all I wore for years was black and gray. We always used to call it the designer wardrobe and it just seemed like everything that I owned was black. I've never really been one to wear bright colors or anything that was outside of my comfort zone which is pretty small. But I think knitting is what brought that color exploration out for me and having children and exploring through the knits that I made for them and color theory was always something that I spent a lot of time in with my design career and I saw that start to translate into the things that I was knitting. And then when we moved to Idaho I began natural dying with a lot of the materials here on the property. So I started this little club where people could sign up and based on the season. One of the four seasons I would collect something from that season and dye with it. And for anyone who natural dyes with raw material they know it's kind of a gamble like you're not really sure what you're going to get especially if you are not familiar with that material.

Ashley: [00:39:16] That first winter that we lived here I went collected like so much bark and different mushrooms and different berries and things like that and I died a bunch of this cormo wool and it was such an amazing experience to be exploring this new place to us through something that I love so much which is wool and fiber and then color. And so that first year I went through each season exploring color and in a totally new way to me. And I would say that that was one of the most pivotal moments of my life where my appreciation for color and exploring and really wanting to incorporate it in a richer way in my life really began you know after Carrie and I decided to partner in and we kind of became this force together, she had already been working on Color and I flew out to photo shoot Color with her. And so I wasn't there during the kinda conception period but it was really amazing to work together and do that because even though Carrie and I have our own you know kind of personal taste here and there we really so many times I feel like are like "wow that's something I would have done." Or you know "I would have totally chosen that color or that palette or or whatnot." And so what was really exciting about this issue Color was that it was our first time shooting together and really working side by side together on Making in person. And it felt like a confirmation and an affirmation of what we had just done which was come together because everything that I was experiencing and seeing and photographing with her was something that I would have done myself. And I just loved that and I love that color is the first issue that we got to explore together.

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